City Council budget amendments come out at noon and I never finished the 4 part series on the Finance Committee meetings, so here it is. Snow and Ice, traffic safety, policing and wheel tax.
Part one is here, amendments 1-10. Part two is amendments 11 – 15 (failed cuts to the budget) Part three is amendments 16-20. This is the final hours of the meeting on October 21st into the morning of October 22nd.
AMENDMENT TWENTY ONE
Title: Snow & Ice Control on Arterial Shared Use Paths
Sponsors: Alders Kemble, Foster
Amount: $65,000
Narrative: Appropriate $45,000 in the Engineering Division budget and $20,000 in the Parks Division budget to increase snow and ice control on arterial shared use paths on weekends and holidays.
Analysis: Current practice for snow removal on shared use (bike) paths is to clear primary paths by 7 am and secondary paths by 4:30 pm Monday through Friday. Weekend and holiday snow and ice control is dependent on the event and availability of personnel. The proposal underlying this amendment is to increase service on weekends and holidays so that the snow is cleared and ice is treated on arterial paths within 12 hours after the winter weather event. This work is performed by Engineering and Parks staff and will be done on overtime.
Motion:
Alder Rebecca Kemble moves approval, there is a second
Questions of Staff:
Alder Donna Moreland says this came out of the blue and she wants to know what the urgency is of it now. Rob Phillips, City Engineer is there, but is confused about the question. Mayor suggests he describe the amendment. Lisa Lashinger from Parks says that they weren’t able to include funding for expanded snow removal services. This would expand their service to holidays and weekends to clear the bike paths. Right now on the shared use paths they plow on the weekends depending upon the conditions and availability of staff. The Parks Division, if they have heavy or a lot of snow they make and effort to get out on holidays and weekends. Streets and Engineering all take the same approach and won’t guarantee that they will clear it the same on weekends as during the week. The priority shared use paths are cleared by 7am Mon – Fri. Anything that is not a priority is cleared by 4:30 the day after a snow fall. This would enhance the services they are doing, but neither department can do this without additional funding without other services suffering. Phillips says these are arterial bike paths, which are most important from a commuter stand point, he hands around a map. Lashinger says this came out of the Bike Facilities Maintenance Workgroup that started 2 or 3 years ago. The workgroup brought recommendations to the transportation planning board earlier this year. They are working through the recommendations and Alder Foster asked them to prepare information for this budget cycle. They looked into several options and this is the one that Alder Foster asked to bring forward.
Alder Mike Verveer says that Alder Foster has been working on this for years and he knows a lot of work went into this. He asks if Engineering and Parks included this in the 2.5% increase ideas. Lashinger says that the Parks didn’t include it in cost to continue or the increase. Phillips says Engineering didn’t either. Verveer asks why? They say it was a matter of priorities. Phillips says he thinks they felt it had to be addressed collectively, not individually. He doesn’t remember if it was on his list.
Verveer asks how they came up with the numbers in the amendment. Verveer asks if it is triple time for over time. Lashinger says it is overtime based on their calculations. Kathy Cryan from Engineering is responsible for the SW Bike Path Maintenance and she has collected data over the last few years to extrapolate out the cost. Parks used their actual numbers from the last few years as well. Phillips says they took the 6 years and looked at which snowfalls were on weekends and holidays to come up with the estimates. Verveer asks if they think they will have trouble finding additional staff to do the work if the money is there. Phillips says it would be for engineering. Lashinger says it could be at certain times, but for the most part they would be able to fulfill the need. They do ask staff to come in on holidays when they have so much snow they know its going to be problematic the next day, but to do that for every holiday and weekend throughout the winter could be problematic. Phillips says it depends upon how snowy the winter is, people get tired as the winter goes on and its harder to get people to come in. Verveer asks if they think the overtime would be taken as pay or comp time and if the later do you have concerns about people doing their regular work. Lashinger says that historically the Parks staff takes the overtime as comp time. So, if they plowed snow in the winter on comp time then during the regular maintenance season they take off because they would be paid time and half for their comp time during snowplowing efforts and on holidays its more than that, its double. Verveer asks if its triple on holiday. Lashinger says that the payroll policy is that if they take it as comp they have more comp time if its a holiday. Verveer asks if Phillips has anything to add, he says he doesn’t have the information to know what the split is. Verveer asks if most of Engineering takes the overtime in comp time. He says he’s have to look, he thinks younger people take pay and as you get older you take more comp time. But he couldn’t say what the split is.
Alder Shiva Bidar asks if this amendment has implications for the capital budget? Lashinger says no, this is with existing equipment.
Discussion:
Alder Rebecca Kemble says this is a complex issue that people have been working on well over 2 years, it was a work group in the former Ped, Bike, Motor Vehicle Commission and shifted over. There is a staff group and many presentations to the transportation commissions. This issue is emblematic of . . . Rob said it when he said it needed to be a collective effort because it is Streets, Engineering and Parks and that is some of the complexity of it. And when they went through the TORC process (reorganizing transportation committees) they were shifting away from department specific budget lines and areas of work towards a more general system that would be overseen by the transportation director and Transportation Policy and Planning Board (TPPB) to develop the priorities and moving away from 20 years of practice without a Transportation Director where the departments were collaborating well, but not having the capacity to do full system planning and thinking. This is a concrete example coming out the the TPPB with the work of staff to address an issue that has fallen through the cracks because it is not a priority of the individual departments. All three departments have their own responsibilities and they all share responsibilities for different pieces of the system. The TPPB asked and there was another recommendation that did include capital that was a lot more expensive than this that required new equipment and staff that they didn’t put forward. Now that they have a TPPB that are understanding these arterials paths are like highways for people who don’t drive cars, for pedestrians and bike riders who commute all day round and don’t necessarily work 9-5 jobs and not on holidays. They heard this need from the community, they heard from people who have been injured because the paths were not cleared on their way to and from work on weekends and holidays. They thought it was an important first step in seeing this as part of the entire transportation system, not just streets, but these facilities for people who use our paths that we have invested so much money in.
Moreland says her concern is that the registration for bicycles fees would go towards maintenance of the paths. Verveer says it goes to the general fund. She says that there is a required registration fee for bicycles, and she isn’t sure how they can enforce it, but people aren’t paying them. We are giving services to people who are not complying with what we have asked them to comply with.
Alder Barbara Harrington-McKinney says that she heard this work is performed by engineering and parks staff and will be done on overtime or more. She also heard that if its on holiday there might be a challenge to get the staff to cover. She also heard that on the primary or priority bike paths, this is part of what happens anyways. She asks for correction if she’s wrong. Lashinger says that their standard for priority bike paths is to have them cleared by 7am Mon – Fri. And then do largely accomplish that unless its a mayor storm. They also clear them several times throughout the day as needed when it continues to snow so it is also clear for the evening commute. What they are not doing is making sure they are cleared on weekends and holidays. It would all be on over time. McKinney says that she thought the primary paths are included in the clearing. Mayor mumbling something. Staff say they are being cleared. Phillips tries to help by saying that during the weekend there is a different level of service than during the week. During the week they are cleared so the commuter can use the path in the morning when they go to work and on the weekend the response is much slower. The amendment would not give the same service they get during the week, but would give a better service on the weekend. The amendment says “12 hours after the snow storm”. McKinney asks if the city is responsible for “alterior” paths. “Is that what we are talking about” and she indicates she is looking at something. Lashinger says that this is only for the arterial paths which are the purple lines on the map. Those are the plowing assignments shared by Engineering, Parks and Streets. They are priorities over the sidewalks, bus stops and additional bike paths and shared use paths that are across the city. They are the number one priority in terms of these types of facilities during the winter. McKinney says she will not be supporting the amendment because they don’t have much leeway or wiggle room and this is $65,000. She understands that this came out of transportation and this is one of their priorities but the bottom line is that they are almost at the levy limit and she will not be supporting it.
Alder Grant Foster says he emailed them information, but many people were having email troubles, but he hopes they got that background so he doesn’t have to go through all the details, sounds like some people didn’t get a chance to review it. At a real high level this has been going on for a lot more than 2 years. The genesis of this request, the need to address the winter maintenance for our bike facilities generally came out of the Platinum City Biking Committee report in 2007 which was adopted by the Common Council in 2008. It took a number of years to get it off the shelf and have it worked on by a subcommittee of the Red Bike Motor Vehicle Commission (PBMVC), they worked on it for three years closely with all the staff to come up with the current state and to improve the level of maintenance on the bikeway network. That work was delivered to PBMVC in early 2018 which was a few months before that body was resolved in favor of TPPB and Transportation Commission so there was another year delay before it was taken up last fall/winter. There was a lot of back and forth between the board and staff and discussed three meetings in a row and there was a lot of interest and they wanted to have a budget amendment already in 2019. People talked about working over the red/bike bridge that goes over E. Washington covered with ice for 3 and 4 days at a time because this winter was a bad one. We had 3 or 4 major snow events that happened on a Friday evening and because of the current policy and because staff don’t have the resources, it was left there until Tuesday. This is not just a couple inches of snow and it would be nice if it weren’t there, this is major safety issues with the major shared use paths, not the entire network. These are shared use paths, there are a lot of people that ride bikes on them, but they are a major part of the transportation network for people that walk and get around in wheelchairs. Look at the path along the lake right here, go down there any day and see how many people are walking, jogging, riding their bike and all kinds of ways they are getting around. That is an example of our arterial shared use path network. In the City of Madison streets division has responsibility for clearing our road network. We have an extensive network of salt routes. 50% of our lane miles are salt routes, that means before it begins snowing trucks are out there putting salt down, getting ready. As the snow is coming down they continue to keep all the routes open and continue to do that work until the streets are completely cleared. Half of our entire network for people that drive is taken care of at that level, and its happening on overtime. We’re talking about the transportation system for people that walk and ride bicycles that use part of that system and also really importantly use these arterial shared paths to not be in the streets that are already sort of shut down because of inclement weather, and they are able to get on to a different route where they are not jockeying for space with people who are driving in some pretty bad conditions. They got three proposals going up to over $200,000 a year to provide the same level of service that they get on the arterial street network. He says he worked for three months with staff to come up with the absolute lowest cost solution to simply say that if they have a major snow event on a Friday afternoon their staff will be able to go out and deal with it and then it will be done. If they don’t do this they have to go out on Tuesday and deal with it and if you let it sit there for three days and it gets walked on a bikes ride on it and gets packed down and it freezes then you can’t get it off. They experienced that again this year where for several weeks they had inches and inches of moddled, stomped ice that wouldn’t come off. They had a capital budget amendment as well. He is on the council and gets the budget and that is why he pushed so hard for the smallest number and why he didn’t introduce the capital amendment which was for brooms which would make a big difference as well, but that is not on the table. This is important not just because of the impact it has today, and for the people who absolutely do rely on walking, using wheelchairs and riding bikes to get around the city, but its also a key component to the bigger transportation vision. They have been talking about Metro the entire year, they have been talking about BRT and having an argument about wheel tax to pay for BRT. Our Director of Transportation in his key note address he gave about a year ago said our path forward as a community is to get people out of cars. The two strategies are to double the number of people riding buses form 10% to 20% and we can double the number of people riding bicycles from 5% to 10%. If we don’t have a network that holds up in the winter time in WI we’re not going to see he numbers. It’s not just for the people using it today, it for those people we expect to be able to use bikes in the future, that are going to need to use bikes because we can’t get that many cars on the road. This is absolutely critical, its not a “nice to have” for people who want to just get out and ride around when they can ride their trainer instead. This is a transportation network and its what we need to do.
Alder Keith Furman supports, the current policy assumes everyone works 9-5 Mon-Fri or even that our bike path usage is just weekdays. If we want to see alternate modes of transportation be more popular in this town other than just cars its incredibly important to be making investments like this.
Alder Zach Henak says this is a critical amendment. In district 10 they see people in increased use of the path of the SW commuter line and he hears consistently that people want to be able to use that path a significantly larger portion of the year. He thinks this is about allowing people to get out and utilize the bike path, get to work and get where they need to go and it makes complete sense.
Moreland asks if its only the paths in purple, not gold? They say yes. She says that is a concern to her because it doesn’t expand to her district, not very far. Pause. Mayor asks if there is . . . Moreland jumps in and says the purple stops and blends into the white, why isn’t it all purple. Phillips says there is a lot under construction on the west side and its not hard to imagine that the path along the Ice Age Junction Path that would connect Epic and UW Research Park and residential neighborhoods to those areas. It’s not hard to imagine that it will be an arterial path some day, its just not there yet. Lashinger says that while they are yellow, they are cleared according to the standards that we use today. They are cleared by 4:30 the day following a snow event. They are still plowed throughout the year, just to a different standard. Moreland says that she is also hearing concerns because they don’t have good bus service out there either. They are putting a lot of things out there that do not effectively support the entire city.
Bidar says she appreciates the explanation and Foster moved her to see its a critical investment, she has come a long way from where she was when she walked in the meeting. She would like to support it, but in looking at what is before them and what their priorities are. It doesn’t take a lot to look at what is left before us and who is sponsoring which ones. The question is what do they want to have the money left to do. If we do this $65,000 there is $162,000 left and his other priority topic is safety which she fully believes in, but it leaves a question for the rest of them who are trying to juggle other things. She says he made good points and have moved her to think this is a really good investment, its just a matter of tough choices about what is left before them and the need to come back to council on some of these things with savings from somewhere else because they will hit the levy tonight.
Vote:
Voice vote was split, Mayor says the ayes have it. Roll call requested. Aye: Bidar, Furman, Kemble, Verveer No: McKinney, Moreland
They are $162,000 remaining before they hit the levy limits set by the state.
AMENDMENT TWENTY TWO
Title: Police Educational Incentive
Sponsors: Alders Furman, Bidar, Moreland
Amount: $143,250
Narrative: Appropriate $143,250 to fund a change in the eligibility threshold for Police incentive pay from 42 months to 36 months. This change is subject to the collective bargaining process.
Analysis: All commissioned Police personnel through the rank of Sergeant are eligible for incentive pay after forty-two (42) months of service, provided that they have met the other requirements of the program. Incentive pay is a percentage above the basic salary (not including longevity) for each individual eligible. The basis for qualifying for incentive pay includes both formal education and qualifying specialized training. Advancement to each of the incentive salary steps is based on a point system as follows:
- 3% – 15 Points
- 6% – 25 Points
- 9% – 45 Points
- 12% – 85 Points
- 15% – 96 College Credits or 130 Points
- 16% – 150 Points
- 18% – Bachelor’s Degree
- 22% – Graduate Degree
Unless a person has a college degree, the 6th step, or 16%, is the limitation of his or her advancement under this program.
The proposed amendment provides funding to move the eligibility for incentive pay from 42 months to 36 months. The Educational Incentive program is part of the Madison Professional Police Officers Association (MPPOA) contract. This change would have to be negotiated with the Association.
The Executive Budget added $411,800 in Salaries and Benefits to accommodate the 2020 educational incentive at the current 42 month eligibility threshold.
Future costs will depend on the number of officers eligible for the program.
The International Association of Firefighters Local 311 also has an educational incentive program. This amendment does not impact that program.
Motion: Alder Keith Furman moves, its seconded.
Questions of Staff:
Verveer ask Interim Chief Vic Wahl if the agency request submitted by former Chief Koval on behalf of the department is in line with his prioritization as the current chief. Verveer asks how these incentives prioritize versus adding officers. Wahl says the short answer is that the budget priorities and document do still stand and reflect his preferences. His clear preference, without any doubt is for additional staffing. While he appreciates the need to address their retention issue, there are a number of things they are doing to address it but clearly their priority is staffing and specifically patrol staffing. Verveer says they went through each of the closed positions at the other meeting and the various cuts to be made to supplant patrol services. Can you explain how cuts to the specialty teams and related positions effect the ability to recruit and retain your colleagues. Wahl says that one of the things that makes them attractive as a police department is having a lot of opportunities. If you go work in a lot of departments patrol is your only option aside from promotion. We have a number of units that give our officers a lot of opportunity to do things outside of patrol. Different exercise, different skill sets, work with the community and public in different ways. It can provide a respite from the day to day grind of patrol. Someone might work for patrol and then compete for a closed session and then return to patrol more rejuvenated and he thinks that is something that weighs on their retention issues and makes them attractive as a agency to work for. Verveer says that last MPPOA agreement was before some of his colleagues were on the council and at that time it was generous wage increases throughout the contract through 2021. If you read the amendment, would you say educational incentive that would have been subject of collective bargaining during the long negotiations. Are the compensation levels a real clear reason as to why they are having issues with retention and perhaps recruitment. Wahl says that is part of it. Especially to recruit experienced officers from other agencies that they historically had success with. They simply aren’t competitive at the starting salary and during the early years before the incentive kicks in. Verveer asks if the current collective bargaining agreement helps with that. Verveer says the hardest part of our budget is the pay equity – we heard tonight over and over that some of the speakers that were critical of your department were saying that they were already receiving a $5M increase in their agency in the executive budget. Verveer says much of that is the wages and over time and premium pay and benefits that came with the current collective bargaining agreement and now we are discussing that for other employees to get the same 3.25% for next year. Wahl says that with the wage increases it’s too early to say if that is helping. What he doesn’t know is how the other agencies they compete against what type of increases they will be implementing in that same time period. If we are incrementally better is that enough to move the needle? It’s probably a little better and that isn’t going to hurt. The educational incentive is part of the MPPOA contract and part of the bargaining process. Verveer asks if that area was subject to the recent negotiations? Wahl says the entire contract was redone. Verveer asks if this was one of the areas MPPOA wanted re-negotiated. Wahl says he doesn’t know. He says he doesn’t think the way the educational incentive is structured hasn’t been changed since he was hired.
Furman aks how many resignations there have been in the department in the last 5 years. Someone says 64 (later changes it to 54). That is different than retirements. Furman says he thinks the numbers he was given are lower. Furman asks how many were here 0-3 years. They say 33. Furman says that they are seeing significant numbers of officers leaving early, what are the reasons for that. Wahl says that their starting wage is not as competitive as it once was and during the period before the incentive kicks in finances are part of it. He also thinks that the things they are seeing more when they talk to these folks aren’t really money focused, we hear about the stress of the job, the national narrative and the challenges the profession has been undergoing and a lot of people simply don’t want to do that. He also thinks they are seeing a real generational change and the folks they hire now are not coming in with the presumption that they are getting hired with MPD and are going to retire with MPD. They are more of the mindset that they are going to work there a few years and then go do something else. Some of it is generational, some of it is the national narrative and the stress and additional challenges some of the work force feels. He thinks the last two years in terms of the workload grind and the challenges that it has put on people’s ability to get time off and have flexibility in their schedules is a real challenge. They are trying to address some of those things internally. Staff change the number to 54. Furman says 33 of the 54 are new and we spent a lot of money training them and then they left.
Henak asks about experienced hires and the attractiveness to hire from other agencies, would it make more sense to instead of shortening the from when they start with MPD to the time starting as an officer. Wahl says it might, he says it would be a bargaining issue for MPPOA to have to address. He says he can see pros and cons to it.
Discussion:
Furman says at the last finance meeting when they went over department staffing numbers one of the things that stuck out for him is that they got 311 patrol officers, out of that 311, 100 are in special units and 211 are assigned to patrol, but we have only hired 188 so we have 23 person gap. We have another 50 that are in the academy and unavailable for use. To him those numbers are staggering and scary. That they have so many officers in a large academy class and it shows that we have retention issues. He is not a police expert on retention, he has spoken to the department since that meeting to ask for suggestions and this education incentive came up as an option. There are other options, and looks forward to the department coming up with the options and talking to them about it. He thinks it is incredibly important to address retention. They can add 3, 6, 12 officers, I doesn’t matter if we add 3, 6, 12 officers that are staying 3 years and leaving. We are constantly have a lot of officers we are paying in the academy training. He didn’t come up with the education incentive, I didn’t know it existed until I started talking to MPD about different strategies and how little money we had in the budget. It’s noteworthy, the department deserves a lot of credit for the number of degrees the department has – 29 officers have an associate degree or less than a bachelor. 272 with a bachelors degree and 60 with a Master Degree or higher and that does not include the 50 recruits that don’t have enough time to qualify for incentive pay. This incentive was a way to speed up from 42 months to 36 months being able to reward the officers for that level of education. He is not tied to this. We need to continue to have discussion on this and he hopes the department continues to work really hard and comes back to us, he doesn’t want to micromanage the process, but he thinks they need to work with the union and ask us for the help that they need to figure out if its our starting salary, I heard money wasn’t necessarily a big deal or wasn’t the biggest deal, some of the flexibility of the job is an issue. There is no department in the city that uses the parental leave policy more than the police department, so you have officers that have children, they come back and then struggle in the department because of scheduling issues or working hard because there aren’t officers available because they are being trained. We have to figure out our retention issue and how to keep police working here. He thinks the independent monitor will be a great step to address one part of the issue, but we need to continue to make investments and absolution work with the union. He got an email from the union today asking that we make the incentive from time of service so if they come from another city they don’t have to wait 36 months here. He is completely supportive of looking at those different narratives and he is looking forward to that coming out in the collective bargaining process. He says this was intended to be a down payment to say that we understand and appreciate that retention is an issue. Here’s an easy thing we can do to show that.
Kemble asks finance how this number was arrived at. They say the police department came up with it. Kemble asks what happens if they drop the threshold to 38 months. Can you divide by 6 and its one month of increment or is it a more complicated calculus. Staff say its a more complicated calculation. They say this will impact about 41 officers in 2020, so it would be the September 2016 class and September 2017 class. Kemble says she is just trying to shave a little off. She says you can’t just cut it in half. The 2018 class is the huge class. Staff says that one of the challenges is that this cost is widely variable depending upon the size of the academy class that is captured in that snapshot in time. This figure is for those two recruit classes, but if we did it a year later, or shifted the amount different recruit classes would be in that number.
Mayor suggests that if this is complicated enough that if they wanted to make a change to this amendment, they might consider doing it on the council level rather than tonight.
Moreland wants to clarify, if they had to choose between this incentive and more officers they would clearly choose more officers. Wahl says that is correct.
Alder Sheri Carter asks about it being generational that groups coming in are staying less than 5 years and then moving on. Are they moving on to other law enforcement or moving on and up. Wahl says that most are moving to non-law enforcement, moving out of the field altogether.
Alder Marsha Rummel asks about if this was a topic that came up in collective bargaining, when would that start and what would it look like. Can the amendment be to start working on this topic with our staff. Wahl says the current MPPOA contract runs through the end of 2021, so the normal collective bargaining process would start late summer 2021, so there wouldn’t be a mechanism to do it outside of that, tho there could be. We negotiate with the union on non-fiscal things from time to time and there is no reason why there couldn’t be something limited to this. Rummel asks for clarification. Wahl says the normal collective bargaining process under the normal circumstances won’t kick up again until 2021. Certainly the city and MPPOA can decide to get together and bargain about educational incentive and amend the contract or put worth a MOU that they agree to that specifically addresses that topic. They could do that at any time that both parties agree. The MPPOA obviously has a say in that.
Verveer opposes the amendment. If money were no object he’d happily support the amendment, we all can see the tote board and see that remaining levy capacity is $162,000. He clearly has other priorities that haven’t been brought to the floor yet through later budget amendments as it relates to the police department and as you can tell from his questioning of the chief, the modest amendment that he authored to add additional police officer positions is something that our community is seeking. If we had the levy capacity and had already voted to support additional police officer positions he would happily support the amendment, but he can’t do that this evening. They will get into the need for additional police officers later in the meeting, but he believes that the additional staffing is demonstrated by data and reflected in the expectations of the community. The number one issue constituents have contacted him about tis the need for additional police officers, and there isn’t anything close to second, including wheel tax. The incentive pay should be seriously considered when they say thanks but no thanks, they clearly believe this is not a high priority. This was in the agency budget request this summer in May, but not anywhere near the agency request list that was in priority order. He has a good relationship with central district officers and has since he’s been in city hall and what he hears in his private conversations with officers about the fatigue level and why there is such a record number of resignations and retirements is because of the shortage in officers, it’s not because they are not getting paid enough. If money was the issue, they could volunteer for overtime. The overtime is unlimited for today’s commissioned staff. Verveer says that in bargaining in the MPPOA contract one of the items brought to the table by management was incentive to convince MPPOA members to volunteer to work on the Downtown Safety Initiative Friday and Saturday nights downtown. It was a modest request that was included in the collective bargaining agreement to allow for a $5/hour incentive to work, because they weren’t having people line up wanting to work downtown around wartime. When he asked the central district command staff it the $5/hr incentive has helped get volunteers to pay overtime, they laughed at him, it has hardly made a difference at all. Pay is not the issue for the officers, its about getting time off. Even gettin g1st shift vacation picks and spending time with their loved ones. It’s the forced overtime when the officer in charge makes a difficult decision to hold over folks because of the calls for service and the fact that they are going to priority only calls for service 10% of the time now. What they need is increased police authorized strength. They don’t need additional financial incentives to encourage existing officers to stick around. He’s no expert, they’ve always been a progressive force in terms of compensation, they’ve had a tuition reimbursement program ever since he’s been at city hall. He’s notes Vic Wahl attended law school while an office and was able to utilize that program. He says that the existing contract is generous, but well earned. He believes they earn every penny they make, so he doesn’t take pleasure in opposing this amendment but compared to the amendments coming up he doesn’t think its even a close question for the department, the union or for the members of the department that would benefit from the incentive pay. He urges rejection to move on to the larger discussion of increasing the authorized strength for the police department.
Furman says that he wants to be clear, he’s not saying pay is an issue, he is saying retention is an issue. Absolutely we are going to have staffing issues if we have a large chunk of officers in the academy and unavailable to patrol. He doesn’t have the answers on retention. Adding three officers, they won’t start tomorrow. It will take a very long time for them to be in service and when the good economy chases them to something else or other policies chase them to something else we’ll just be back in the same position of not having the officers available. He says if the police department says its not their priority he can vote against it as well. He is fine with it being figured out through negotiations with the union. He just thinks its important to show we understand retention is an issue, he respects the police department continuing to push for their staffing models they believe in. If you add 3, 6, 12 officers, it won’t matter if they are not staying. We will continue to have officers that are exhausted because there won’t be officers that are available.
Vote:
Voice vote, sounded like 2 in favor (not Furman), motion failed.
AMENDMENT TWENTY THREE
Title: Traffic Safety Enhancements
Sponsors: Alders Kemble, Foster
Amount: $160,000
Narrative: Appropriate $160,000 to advance the implementation of Vision Zero, which seeks to eliminate all severe injury and fatal crashes on City streets.
Analysis: The proposed amendment is intended to fund rapid, short-term fixes at high injury intersections. Traffic Engineering would focus on four of the City’s high injury crash intersections and use applications from the Highway Safety Manual, including signage, pavement markings, and speed reductions to make a measurable difference in crash severity. The long-term goal is to follow up on these interim solutions with more permanent changes to the geometry that would require curb/island changes. The long term solutions would most likely be funded through the capital budget.
Funding for this amendment is shown in the Other category. If the amendment is approved, Traffic Engineering will provide the funding breakdown by expenditure category which may include personnel costs, supplies and/or services.
Motion:
Kemble moves adoption. Furman(?) seconds.
Questions of Staff:
Furman asks for details on what this is. It talks about 4 intersection and there is not a lot of detail, he’d like to learn where this money is going. Tom Lynch says the TPPB has been discussing Madison becoming a Vision Zero city. (Someone says “what’s that”?) He says it would entail them joining the Vision Zero network and focusing a lot of their efforts on eliminating fatalities and high injury crashes. They have not moved forward with that yet. They anticipate initiating or moving in that direction this spring, however, over the last three weeks there have been two pedestrians that have been killed and a cyclist. One on Northport, one on Broadway (technically not Madison) and one on Baldwin at E. Washington. I think there is just a general feeling saying, do we really have to wait 18 months to start doing things that could maybe make a difference. He thinks that is what prompted this amendment. Speed is the primary determining factor, if you can reduce speeds you can take a fatality and make it just an injury or you can take a serious injury and make it a less serious injury. So this would focus on that at 4 of the most severe injury intersections in the city. On the little handout that Alder Kemble handed out on the back, it shows the 20 highest injury crash intersections in the city. The red dots represent all (motor vehicle, pedestrian, bicycles) but he has another on that has –
Mayor interrupts and says the alder emailed it but not everyone has it. Also someone interrupts and says that the batteries in the mics are going dead and the mics that just dropped down will be the only ones that work. Pause . . . everyone has the maps.
Lynch says that injuries on the transportation network are real and affecting lives and it’s important. They are considering Vision Zero. If they adopt this amendment they would focus on speed. A low costs improvements, particularly signing and pavement markings at intersections. As far as where the costs come from, they were asked about how much it would cost to lower the speed limit on a couple corridors. They looked at five different corridors and the costs were from $135,000 – $600,000. This would provide funding to address 4 of the high injury intersections in the city.
Moreland asks if they looked at other measures that other cities have taken, especially ones that can’t use the cameras. She doesn’t see this as being effective. The speed limit all over town is pretty low. There are some places where it might be 45, maybe 50 and people blow right through them. I don’t think signage is going to change any behavior.
Lynch says that it can be effective. Some of their highest injury arterials have surprisingly high speeds. Mineral Point Road has 40 miles per mile. East Washington Ave has 35 miles per hour. Portions of University Ave have 35 miles per hour. The difference between 25 and 35 is rather significant as far as injury. He says he put a couple graphics. Gammon Rd has 35 miles per hour. Milwaukee St. has 35 miles per hour. A lot of these arterials could be lowered. I think you make a good point regarding enforcement. Sometimes we can use paint like continental crossings and like, to emphasize that this is a pedestrian place. You can time signals so they progress at 25 miles per hours instead of 35 miles per hour. Automated traffic enforcement is also helpful.
Moreland asks about automated traffic enforcement. Lynch says that is a whole different discussion for a year or years from now. Cities are starting to do this, Portland did. He was just at a conference where someone from Bogota there where they chose 5 corridors to lower the speed limits. They didn’t even put signs up for 3 months, they just had a campaign. They reduced their fatalities by 85 per year. They have a much higher fatality rate than we do. He asks if they did any geometric improvements? They said no. Most of the injuries that occur don’t happen during congestion periods. We don’t have to travel speeds. 7:00 or 8:00 at night is when travel speeds are high.
Moreland asks how many of the crashes are car to car and car to bicycle or motor cycle crashes. Lynch says this info is from a TPPB presentation, there are 26,000 motor vehicle crashes. The fatal and injury percentage of the motor vehicle crashes is less than 2%. He says the graphs might be confusing. He says there are 421 pedestrian crashes, which is less than 2% of all the crashes, yet pedestrians are 20% of the fatalities. 1.6% of the crashes but 20% of the serious injuries and fatalities. Moreland says that there are more pedestrian and bike crashes that result in fatalities. Lynch says yes, they are disproportionately represented because they don’t have the protection of a car. He says you can see there are 26,000 motor vehicle crashes on only 420 or 530 bike crashes. But when they do get in crashes the chances of an injury are much greater.
Rummel thanks him for all the visuals. She says she sees the writing on the screen and this is a really important thing to her but she knows police is really important to others, so I know someone is going to be unhappy, probably me. She would like to delve into this topic. Someone just died a month ago. At night, it was rainy, this is my neighborhood, me and Alder Heck share it. I hear about traffic safety for pedestrians all the time and I pass those along and its getting worse. We’re building new housing along a corridor where people are reckless drivers and it’s dangerous. At the practical level this amendment says 4 intersections. Could you talk about what you would do, there are more than 4 on your maps. Lynch says they are not fully into Vision Zero and they would like to initiate it in the spring. He thinks what prompted this is do they really want to wait 18-20 months before they do something and he thinks that is what prompted the amendment. He says they would do as much as the money allotted would allow. If they were to change the speed limit on a portion of E. Washington, they would do a portion, enhance the crosswalks so they are continental, they would reduce the speed limit and treat it as a system. Conversely they could do a similar thing on Mineral Point. Mineral Point and Gammon Rd is a high injury intersection. At that point he thinks Mineral Point is 40 miles an hour and Gammon is 35 miles per hour, why? Why is that intersection so high speed? It doesn’t need to be that high speed.
Rummel asks if they can just lower the speed limit, isn’t that just cost of signage? Lynch says that the signage is the least expensive part of these proposals. The pavement markings help reinforce the environment. We probably won’t have the extra enforcement, but you raise a good point. 3/4 of the proposal is pavement markings and less, maybe 1/4 is the markings. Eastwood once you get through Willy St., you’re headed to Atwood and then its a little speedway. It’s flat, its wide, the next thing you know, even cautious drivers are going fast. Part of it is the geometry of how the streets are built and we fix them over time. if we did a lot of speed changes and some pavement marking and less money in this budget it might be a way forward to get a little bit of what everyone hopes for out of the last part of this evening. I heard you say you’d work with what you got. Lynch says he came up with estimates for 5 different corridors that range from $130,000 – $500,000. Some we may not pick. For instance on University Ave, there are two high injury intersections but because it is being reconstructed perhaps they wouldn’t choose those. It would go through the committee process. Rummel asks if it would go through a committee process. She served twice on Ped Bike and they never looked at speed limits. Lynch says there’s a new philosophy that is growing that previously they thought you based your speed limit on the 85th percentile of vehicles traveling. The vehicles traveling were determining your speed limit. This Vision Zero is saying no, you can say what the speed limit is and they are advocating for a 50th percentile. You can do that and some people say that people won’t obey it, but they are finding that it does lower it a bit. Rummel asks him to restate it in non-technical terms. He says previous engineering thought had speed limits based on how fast cars were traveling. The new thought process is that rather than to have the traffic determine the speed limit, you can determine the speed limit and have the traffic follow it. Rummel says “I like that”.
Alder Patrick Heck says if they target intersections or larger street scape associated with an intersection. Is there any chance some of it could be used to promote a relatively inexpensive trial run of 20 is plenty? Lynch asks why they have to make it a trial run? He says that would be a city wide initiative on residential streets. That would probably be – yes – if they enter into Vision Zero – he suspects that will be part of the action plan. He says this just targets the high injury intersections and they tend to be where travel speeds are higher.
Verveer asks what it would take for Madison to sign on to the Vision Zero Network. Lynch ask Yang Tao to answer. Tao says that there has to be a public official has to sign on to the idea publicly. It could be the Mayor or Council leadership. The second requirement is that departments have to sign on to it. The third one is the city has to come up with a strategic action plan to achieve Zero Deaths and Serious Injuries by a certain time frame. Some cities use aggressive ones, 5 years as a time frame. Some use 15 year. Verveer asks if they have to do all three things before it’s official. He asks if a Common Council resolution adopted at the next meeting wouldn’t be enough? We have to have have an action plan. Tao says that those are the three main requirements and there are some other smaller ones. You have to go through an application process and have an interview. Lynch says that you might be recognized while you are in the process. Minneapolis is recognized as one but they just released their action plan a month ago. Verveer says that at a very basic level we should at least be doing that and work towards being part of the Vision Zero initiative.
Verveer asks how this relates to the Mayor’s capital budget initiative for intersection safety on the horizon list, the $500,000 in geo borrowing where they talked about it during capital budget and the mayor said it was on the horizon list because the scope had to be clarified and there are three steps codified in the capital budget by the finance committee for the scope. Is this the same? Lynch says they are similar, the half million was for safety to be an evaluation component for prioritizing our infrastructure projects and the half million was more directed on physical changes. This one is directed on not physical changes but pavement marking and signage. Verveer asks why this is in the operating budget instead of the capital budget. Lynch says striping, as opposed to curb and gutter or bump outs which are physical changes that will last 20-30 years. Verveer asks how long the epoxy markings that contractors apply last? They says 3-5 years. Verveer says he wished they had talked about this more in the capital budget process since this is on the horizon list.
Moreland asks if Minneapolis is in a similar situation as we are not being able to use video surveillance for traffic enforcement? Lynch doesn’t know. They were not able to set their own speed limits until the last year and then “20 is plenty” is their slogan for their residential streets. He knows Portland is going for automated enforcement. Many Vision Zero cities . . . he says this is very controversial so he does’t want to link Vision Zero with automated enforcement . . . he says the advantage is compliance.
Discussion:
Kemble says that Alder Foster and her are putting it forward out of many months of work and deep thinking of the Transportation Commission (TC), the Ped Bike Motor Vehicle Commission (PBMVC) before that and the Transportation Policy and Planning Board (TPPB). Around this important public safety issue with traffic. As you can see at the top of the hand out those are the stats from 2014-2017. She assumes they all get the same contacts about speeding, there is not a week that goes by that isn’t a concern about speeding. The data around fatalities and injuries bears out how really dangerous it is. It’s not only an actual safety issue, but its on the top of the minds of even the Orchard Ridge Neighborhood folks asking for more police. In their survey traffic safety was actually at the top of the list of what people were concerned about in that neighborhood. As they dealt with it in the TC and PBMVC they get quarterly reports from the police and what they have struggled with is that the quarterly reports are personnel stats of when the TEST (traffic enforcement) teams are active and how many tickets they write. They have been trying to work with MPD, first with Lt. Knight and then with Asst. Chief Wheeler and now Capt. Cheney Austin to have them mesh their reporting with the incidences of traffic danger, instead of speed traps at easy places where they can catch speeders several times a month because they have a grant to do it, but to actually deploy where there are real safety issues. In those many conversations and in talking with police on the Northside, they are kind of frustrated, because they all say that enforcement doesn’t work, it doesn’t create safety because we can only be out there a few hours at a time. Requests to put out the mobile speed radar signs are all the time and they are in high demand. Police officers will come to neighborhood associations and say they can do it for this period of time but it won’t solve the problem. What solves the problem are design, engineering and other behavior modification things you can do with traffic signals and narrowing streets. This is what Lynch brought to TPPB and they are been looking at it for months, and they can do this immediately to start trying out what approaches work. Signal syncing, painting, putting cones up, reducing turn radiuses, etc. She says its a critical safety enhancement they can do for relatively little money as a start and next year come back in the capital and operating budget with a more robust plan that they talked about to be a Vision Zero partner. Hopefully this will give us a good experience in implementing some of the principles.
Verveer says he can’t support the amendment even tho he agrees absolutely and completely with the sentiment of Alder Kemble that this is a crisis and a clear public safety priority we need to address which is why he believes every penny of the remaining levy should go towards additional officers. He has sat at this table for years begging for additional traffic enforcement by the police. He berates them regularly when they are before us to increase traffic enforcement. He thinks that is a tremendously large part of this equation that is lost. He says that during the hearing process when the police came up right before midnight there was just another pedestrian fatality on Baldwin St. and when will this ever end. Obviously Vision Zero tries to address that in a proactive manner absent traffic enforcement and he wishes it was in great partnership with more robust traffic enforcement. He supports this, but what he was getting at when he cut himself short was that he wants to support this, he just can’t given the remaining levy capacity they have. He would be interested in a motion to refer this amendment to the capital budget at the Common Council in November. He believes that they can clearly argue that they can capitalize these costs. In the 24 years he has served on the committee they have capitalized more and more initiatives. Labor we didn’t used to capitalize when he was first on the Board of Estimates. If we are capitalizing all kinds of cats and dogs, he doesn’t see why they can’t capitalize these costs and have this as a universally supported capital budget amendment, perhaps even more robust than $165,000. Engineering – Major Streets requested half a million in their agency request. That would be his way forward. He agrees it is a huge priority but he doesn’t see how they can accomplish this tonight as part of the operating budget.
McKinney says when she was first elected she was called out to a location where there was a bike/car crash and a 23 year old young woman who worked at Epic was killed. The family is still struggling with that in 2019. I have heard what the values are, but this is life and death and if you’ve been with families who have lost their loved one due to an auto or bike crash, its traumatic. When this was on the capital budget side on the horizon list I didn’t not understand it then and didn’t advocate strongly. But now that it has come back before us and we have to make a choice between making our intersections safer with pushing up against the levy limit, that disturbs her in who we say we are and who we want to be. We are policy makers, we are responsible for the budget, but the way we process this budget – when we get to this and we know it should pass but we can’t because we bumped up against the levy limit – it concerns her deeply and it should concern them to. This is just not the way we do it. We made concessions, we approved of so many things going back to number one and looking at this and we cannot pass it because we are pushing up against the levy limits. She is ashamed at this point, she is discouraged, she is ashamed and we have to do something with this.
Rummel likes Mike’s idea. The one she came up with is smaller but maybe helpful. She says to look again at the item where they were doing the planning. She suggests they take the $25,000 from engagement for East and West Towne Planning and put it to pavement markings for Vision Zero and then go the capital budget route. At least the E. Wash route could be in a TID 36 area and TIF could pay for it. She supports the planning thing and she thinks the market study is the most important part and the engagement could wait a year.
Mayor reminds them that they have another chance to make amendments, if they want too. She says it would be a very bad idea to start crafting amendments on the floor tonight.
Bidar says the reason we are where we are is because their job is to balance a budget. When we propose amendments we need to figure out how we are going to get to the end of the evening and be below the levy limit. On your own, what you are going to vote for. Although she opposed many of things because she didn’t think they were the right cuts to be made, at least she appreciated that there were cuts being put forward. They can’t just come here at the end of the night and say its a bad process. The process is what they make it to be. If you were able to balance and be under the levy, wherever you leave it at the end of the night, you followed your process. They have another chance at this. She is going to vote no on everything from now on because she doesn’t believe in using every penny to the levy. We have another chance to relook at everything that is going to be put forward and see if they can find other places where they can propose any cuts that wasn’t proposed, was proposed and didn’t pass, needs to be proposed between now and the council meeting. She says this is the budget process they have had as long as she has been on the council, its not great because we all would like to be able to do more than what we have before us. Some years have been easier than others, and we have a tough year before us, but there are a lot of competing priorities and that’s a reality that we have. If one wants something else, then we need to find something that we can cut.
Alder Grant Foster says he is supportive, he’s a sponsor. He calls attention again to the hand out. He says that in a three year period 44 fatalities happened on their roads vs 38 homicides in the city. About 3500 incapacitating and nonincompacitating injuries happening on the roads vs 4500 rape, assault and robbery. Another 5600 possible injuries. As many people are dying and getting hurt because of traffic safety issues in our city as for any other reason. These are very real numbers. We talk about performance excellence, we talk about using data to drive our decisions. He came from a place, health care, where data was often manipulated and people were chasing data. This is actually an opportunity where we can use data, we can use maps that show us where we have our issues and we know how to fix it. We can take money and turn it into pavement stripping, signage, speed limit changes and we can measurably reduce fatalities and injuries. This is not hoping, this is practical and real. He understands why the $500,000 got put on the horizon work and clearly we have work to do there. He is confident in Tom and his team and we will move quickly on Vision Zero, but he is not waiting 20 months or whatever that time is, before we make some progress. We know what our biggest issues are today and in my conversations with Tom it was specifically, what can we do this year, what can we do in 2019. This $160,000 is from that. It’s what we can do with our resources and the knowledge that we have, we can make these changes in this year and have a measurable impact. Alder Kemble talked about the Orchard Ridge survey on public safety. It was used to say why that community was demanding more police officers and when he looked at the results of that the only thing that stood out was that they were mostly talking about traffic safety. Dangerous driving was the number one concern for the neighborhood – over 33% of the respondents said that was what they were most concerned about that. The one that was close to that was home and auto burglary. When he was running for alder and talked to Captain Snyder, he heard the same things. What I heard over and over from command stuff was that there is nothing that we can do about that, people need to lock their cars and garages. He has heard over and over that its not that they don’t have enough police, its that these are things they are not going to prevent. That is next to dangerous driving and walking after dark and if you look in the comments its all about cars and not feeling safe walking in their neighborhood at night. It is what he heard on the campaign trail and he gets emails every week. If we are serious about public safety, we know that we can do something this year to improve it. That, as compared to just trying to deal with fear, which is something we can help people have less fear, maybe we can’t. This is something practical and real and there is a lot of value in it.
Heck says that he agrees with Foster and with all due respect to Alder Verveer’s constituents, by far his number on communication is about traffic safety and its not that a week goes by without communications about traffic safety, he gets multiple emails every day from all over his district. He thinks this is a tangible thing that they can do now to address public safety.
Vote:
Sounds like 2 ayes. Motion failed.
WHAT’S NEXT? REMAINING AMENDMENTS EXCEED THE LEVY LIMITS
During that last section they were testing the mics toward the end and there is another announcement that the microphones are losing their battery charge and only six will work, the nonworking mics are being removed and they have to share. The Mayor suggests they talk really fast.
Mayor asks for an update from staff about where they are on the levy limit. $162,000. Mayor suggests that none of the additional amendments fit under the levy limit at this point and a motion to place all of them on file would be in order.
Verveer has been seeking the mayor’s attention since the vote. He moves reconsideration of the Vision Zero amendment. Mike is the only one to vote for it that I heard – but I think that was because of the mics. Mayor doesn’t announce what happened.
Verveer moves to refer the amendment to the capital budget, Mayor says it is not in order. She says he should submit another amendment in the council process. Verveer asks if that is because they completed their action on the capital budget? Mayor says she is not clear this item is appropriate for the capital budget. She thinks that he could craft an amendment that might be. Verveer says that he will accept the ruling and says that it is his intention to do so. Mayor says the motion to reconsider was made and seconded, Mayor suggests that they place it on file, Verveer moves to place on file and she says it doesn’t pass either, but then corrects and says to record Kemble as voting no. Mayor again suggests that they place them on file.
Bidar is recognized and says she is thinking. Mayor reminds them again they can bring their amendments to the Council and that there is still one item on the agenda. Bidar moves to place the remaining amendments on file. Someone seconds. Mayor reminds them again that they can be introduced in the Council process if they can find a way to make a balanced budget.
Bidar says that staff has been here all night, she says that although they are placing it on file she suggests if it is the will of the body they could still ask questions and learn before bringing amendments to the council. Mayor says that is in order. McKinney wants to ask a question. Bidar interrupts and says they should go in order of the amendments. Mayor asks if there are questions for the fire department. Verveer interrupts and wants to speak generally.
Verveer says he doesn’t support a motion to place on file not only because of the reasons articulated, including staff have been there since 4:30 but also colleagues have. He says that the process they followed in the past, this isn’t the first time they reached the levy capacity, that happens all too often and the way we have done that is to reconsider previously adopted amendments to make levy room or amend amendments before us. For a 9th ambulance he doesn’t have bright ideas for that. He does have plans to amend the amendment to add 3 officers, he has an amendment to his amendment to bring them to levy capacity. He would object to placing all the remaining amendments on file, he says they have a responsibility to the people here tonight but to the community to discuss the need for additional paramedics and officers.
Bidar withdraws her motion and makes a motion one at a time.
AMENDMENT TWENTY FOUR
Title: 9th Ambulance
Sponsors: Alder Henak, Tierney (sponsored as a courtesy to allow on Finance agenda by Council President Bidar)
Amount: $637,400
Narrative: Add 10.0 FTE Firefighter Paramedics to the Fire Department budget to staff a 9th ambulance housed at Station 14 and appropriate $637,400 for salaries, benefits, supplies and purchased services.
Analysis: The proposed amendment creates 10 new Firefighter Paramedic positions to staff a 9th ambulance housed at Station 14. The 2020 Executive Budget includes full funding for a class of ten recruits in September 2020 to replace anticipated vacancies. This amendment would move the recruit class to July and add 10 recruits to the class to back fill the positions promoted to Firefighter Paramedic.
The Executive Budget also increased the Department’s budgeted overtime by $400,000 from $1.0m to $1.4m. This increase is meant to ensure daily minimum staffing levels are met to operate the City’s 14 fire stations. The budgeted amounts assume various other strategies that the Department will use to meet their Overtime budget. The funding in this amendment is intended to cover the full cost associated with the new ambulance and maintains a fully funded Overtime budget based on the assumptions in the Executive Budget.
The Executive Budget also increases the local match for the SAFER grant by $904,000 from $425,000 to $1.3 million. The grant, awarded in 2018, was used to create 18 new Firefighter positions to staff Fire Station 14. 2020 in the last year of funding through the grant program, starting in 2021 these positions will be fully funded by the General Fund.
The projected annualized cost of $826,500 for the 9th ambulance includes wages and benefits as well as medical, training, and uniform costs.
Funding for medical equipment ($45,000), firefighter turn out gear ($37,000) and the ambulance ($305,000) will require an amendment to the 2020 Capital Budget.
Motion:
Bidar moves to place on file. Someone seconds. She wants an opportunity for questions.
Questions of Staff:
Alder Michael Tierney says there was an email with statics sent to alders today and he has questions. Tierney asks about the comparison of Station 14 to the rest of the city. Chief Stephen Davis says he doesn’t know where to start on the data. They have a shortage of ambulances in the system that they have brought before the body for the past 4 years. Their response times in the city – they get an ALS unit on scene about 89% of the time, the particular territory of Station 14 they meet the goal about 53% of the time. They added a fire station last year and added a paramedic to the engine company, they do get some ALS response out of that. It’s not a transporting unit, last year at this time we agreed to put the paramedics on the engine to have some ALS. The data he sent out shows how many times of day they run out of ambulances or get down to 1 or 2 capacity city wide. They get down to 7 ambulances occupied one and a quarter times a day, 2 med units 4 times a day and 3 med units 10 times a day. That is your ambulances in our system in the city that are not available to take calls. They have to have a shift in thought process and paradigm, this is a city wide response, its not a territory thing any more. Our system often gets upside down with east side ambulances on the west side and then west side ambulances have to go to the east side to cover and the only way around that is to put more ambulances in the system. They have one of the lowest ambulance to population ratio in the country. He’s embarrassed to say that Montgomery Alabama has a population of 198,000 and they have 15 stations and 14 paramedic ambulances. Not the best comparable probably. But they as a city have figured it out.
Discussion:
Tierney says that it’s not reflected in the amendments, he has/had to be out of town but in order to fund this he added his name to amendments 12, 13, 14 and 15 in hope of getting the funding for this amendment. And also one to add additional police officers. For him it is a difficult situation because he talks to his constituents about the budget and he spent the last week running through numbers for different constituents and playing around with the city assessor website. One of the lower value homes in his district if they own two cars would see $126 in total tax increases, one of the higher value homes in his district with 2 cars would see $217 tax increase. But both of those homes are in areas where the transport for an ambulance can take 15-20 minutes. They are being asked to pay a lot more but the service increase doesn’t provide them with anything more for the dollar they are paying. He says he has a lot of people that were formally in the Town of Blooming Grove and they are being annexed to the city and he got his ear chewed off by a guy who is looking at curb and gutter and sidewalk, getting hooked up to the water utility and a higher property tax view and it all adds up to $16,000 and he talked to me about services and brought up ambulance service. It’s hard to look someone in the eye and say we are treating them right. I can’t tell them that the ambulance service they will have will be worthy of a city of our size. He says that he will continue to look at this and continue to figure out something to do. It’s troubling when he has constituents that ask if there is a legal process to leave the city and become Village of McFarland or Town of Cottage Grove, Town of Dunn. He says 50 years when station 5 was built there were cornfields around it and municipal budgets allowed us to plan ahead and spend money in anticipation of what we needed. Now, because of this state we are stuck waiting for our developments to build out before we can provide the services that are needed. We are dealing with a lot o neighborhoods that have built out. They are dealing with a lot of business development that needs to have ambulance service. That is something he is going to keep working on.
Bidar asks finance how we would still have $400,000 of overtime. Why wouldn’t the additional staffing reduce overtime. Staff say that the additional overtime is to make the service delivery work. The funding in this amendment would be an enhancement to service levels.
Vote:
1 person that I could hear said not, but it was placed on file by the group.
AMENDMENT TWENTY FIVE A
Title: Add 3 Police Officers-Option A
Sponsors: Alder Verveer
Amount: $168,000
Narrative: Add 3.0 FTE Police Officers to the Police Department budget and appropriate $168,000 for salaries, benefits, and initial issue for the officers to begin in the Department’s May 2020 Academy.
Analysis: The proposed amendment creates three new Police Officer positions to begin in the May 2020 academy. The 2020 Executive Budget includes full funding for 310 Police Officer positions; if adopted, the authorized strength will increase to 313 Police Officer positions. The Executive Budget also includes annualized costs for four Police Officer positions that were funded in 2015 by a COPS grant ($362,000).
Nine officer positions were added to the Police Department budget in 2018; one of these was the final position associated with the opening of the Midtown District Station. An additional officer position was added in 2019 to replace an officer position that was upgraded to a Detective Sergeant for the Investigative Services Unit (focusing on human trafficking initiatives).
An additional squad car and related equipment to support these positions will require an amendment to the 2020 Capital Budget; the anticipated cost of the vehicle and equipment is $59,300.
The projected annualized cost $268,200 includes wages and benefits as well as supply and equipment costs.
Motion:
Verveer moves adopt of amendment 25 a with the following amendment – In the supplies line strike $28,900 and insert $23,298, then the grand total of the amendment would be $162,398. it’s seconded.
Questions of Staff:
None.
Discussion:
Verveer sincerely believes that the scourge of traffic fatalities and injuries would absolutely need to be addressed by additional enforcement of traffic safety laws and there is no way we are ever going to get back the Traffic Enforcement Safety Team (TEST) that was abolished in 2017 for the afternoon and evening shifts unless we start addition additional officers. They discussed at length the patrol work load and the annual patrol work load analysis done. Specifically the 2019 patrol work load. The main thing he wants to say is that we have a training process for new recruits that is almost a year before they are out in the field on their own. We can’t keep kicking the can for issues like traffic enforcement, we’re never going to get a handle on patrol shortages and the increased workload or get a handle on the increased population or attachment of the Town of Madison in a could of years if we don’t start the downpayment of realizing the need for additional officers. He believes that the people he hears from in neighborhood meetings in the downtown area and through individual communications to him, that there is widespread support in the community for increased level of public safety for additional police officers. And its not just because former Chief Koval did such an efficient job of spreading that through his personal campaign to do so, its because his constituents that tell him this are the regular attenders of neighborhood meetings who hear from neighborhood officers that staffing is a crisis and how it affects them and enforcement and patrol services in the central police district. That’s just the reality. He knows many people that people in the community are asking for additional police officer positions because the former chief did such an effective job in the community, even dramatically by retiring abruptly, because of this issue and how passionate he was about it. But much of the feedback he gets from downtown residents are from residents that hear every month from the neighborhood police officers that faithfully attend the monthly neighborhood meetings. He has received very few comments about the $40 vehicle registration fee. The one comment he has heard over and over from downtown stakeholders is that if you have to go to a vehicle registration fee, at least provide the police department some of the resources they are asking for. We have heard over and over that the proposed executive budget supplies approximately $5M in additional resources for the police department. That is all well and good and he appreciates the mayor’s initiatives that are part of the police agency requests that the mayor chose to add to the budget in terms of initiatives that came from the agency requests, the OIR report, and the ad hoc committee report. He appreciates all of that, but what it comes down to is the police authorized strength and patrol services. How are we ever going to get back to an afternoon traffic enforcement safety team which used to provide untold amounts of general fund revenue through their citations to help the bottom line, if we don’t ever increase the police authorized strength. Last year at this time we came up with levy limit room for one additional officer and that was to retain an officer that was to be lost due to a promotion. We didn’t lose and officer last year. He thinks they owe it to the community to present at least some reflection in our action tonight that is part of their expectations. He knows major crimes have reduced in our community and nationwide, the perception in the community is that we are increasingly becoming more unsafe even this statistics don’t show that in terms of major crimes. In some cases, like homicides, substantially. He realizes a lot of people have worked hard to make that reality happen, but the perception in the community is that public safety is not a priority even tho it by far is. The police department receives more than other agencies. They think crime is increasing and public safety is an increasing concern for them and perception is reality. He feels very strongly that every remaining penny of levy capacity should go to increasing the police authorized strength, even if it is a modest three police officers. He thinks the need for additional staff has been demonstrated by MPD data, and its reflected in the expectations of the community. Police officers were not responding to the 911 center for non-priority items every single day. And if you came to neighborhood meetings downtown you would hear specific examples of that being asked and answered by neighborhood police officers. They are diverted to self report or told they are on priorities only. They will put them in the queue but the dispatcher says we don’t get to you for 3 or 4 hours. This isn’t for life and death situations, but he thinks the community deserves the level of support that they are expecting when we tax them to the levy capacity and ask them for a vehicle registration fee for the first time in the city’s history. It’s hard for him to support a budget that doesn’t include some additional authorization for the police department and their strength levels. That is why he is coming with this modest amendment compared to the other proposals which he doesn’t see a way to support tonight or when we reconvene as a council. He urges support.
Furman says you don’t fix a bathtub with a crack by throwing more water in it. He says the biggest issue the police department has is retention. He tried to pass something earlier this evening, it turned out not to be the right thing, but he’s hoping they can go back to the drawing board and figure something out. Verveer talks a lot about perception. He doesn’t believe it is his job to legislate based on perception, he believes it is his job to legislate based on reality. He appreciate Verveer pointing out that the money we are spending on police is increasing $5M and its 24% of the budget vs 23.11% last year. And that doesn’t include the fact that we took $878,000 out of the police department budget and moved it to the parking utility. If that was the case it would have been $6M and a 7.63% increase as opposed to the 6.49% increase. He agrees with spending the money they are spending, a $5M increase is certainly not nothing. He agrees there are some perceptions in the community that we are not giving the police department anything and that perception is absolutely wrong. This is a department that is getting our support. He doesn’t believe three officers is going to fix the retention issue when you see so many officers in the academy and unavailable to help with staffing. Until we figure out how to address that problem, and it won’t be cheap, we won’t solve staffing issues so he won’t support additional officers this evening.
Alder Christian Albouras says that he asked Laura Larson to add him as a co-sponsor to Alder Verveer’s amendment. After some reflection he is very, very pleased that the finance committee did not support the budget amendment to defund the independent auditor. He thinks that is such an important mechanism that the ad hoc committee has asked for the council to consider and take action on and again it is because of the fact that with the independent auditor it creates a systemic system and process that is completely separate from the MPD and obviously if you read the ad hoc committee’s submission. They were not bashful to say that the MPD is actually a really good department but there are many things we can do in terms of providing more feedback and different things that the MPD can do and change. One of the very systemic things that the council can take action on is to have an independent monitor to enhance the experience that many folks and residents have as it pertains to interactions with the MPD. He was very happy that this body kept in step with that. But he also thinks, from his perspective, that the single most thing he has heard from is their concern is public safety and a close second is pedestrian safety which is why he decided to support several budget amendments including 17b and the education incentive as well. He thinks that its important that he is responsive to the concerns being brought up in district 20 and what other alders are hearing. He felt this was an attainable amendment that could be added for an expansion of officers. If there is any way to increase that in a way that makes sense in our budget, that would be welcomed as well. That is his reason for co-sponsoring this amendment.
McKinney says that 73% of our funding comes from property taxes and her constituents have sent her several letters and she reads one that says at 3:45am 5-6 men entered their home. The person and her two boys were sound asleep and they were woken up with 3 Madison police officers with flashlights and guns drawn asking if we were the homeowners, I’m sure you can imagine the panic that ensued. One 18 year old was arrested and released, the rest are at-large. It could have been worse, they only took material things. Realizing that with any budget money needs to be disbursed according to need. Decisions need to be prioritized based on everyone in the community. That said, safety is an absolute must and ensuring protection of all neighborhoods needs to be first and foremost. We are asking you to reconsider allocating more money to the police department so they can handle the obvious growing crime in Madison and the surrounding areas. Safety isn’t a political issue and can’t be negotiated. People in all neighborhoods are being impacted by this rash of crime. It’s an extreme violation and creates fear. The person moved to Madison from the Chicagoland area last August and was embracing all that Madison has to offer. Madison is touted as being the best place to live but with crime on the rise I and others are beginning to question if this slogan is appropriate – she skips a part that identifies her – increasing the budget for more police and stiffer penalties for criminals or people will start to take matters into their own hands. She thinks they all agree that the latter would not be a good option for anyone. A trained officer is much better equipped to handle crime. Unfortunately people are feeling like they have no other alternative if safety isn’t a number one priority by our government. She says that this is a series of communications from constituents and when she ran she ran on public safety for the whole community not just the west side. There is a fear, statistically you can tell people close their garages and lock their doors, but there is a fear in our community and that is what they are expressing. They are looking at the budget and looking at the increase in the wheel tax and there is a feeling that they are not being heard. So when we are looking at this budget and nothing is being allocated toward what they feel would be safety, and having some of their property tax money go to police and police staffing says to them that their voices are not being heard. She would hope that they could go back and reconsider and look at how we can offer some of them what they are asking for. When you are looking at 75% of our revenue coming from property taxes and constituents are feeling that the government is not listening to them, they should reconsider putting something in their budget.
Moreland asks what the possibility of recruiting police officers from other agencies as opposed to getting 3 newbies that have to go through the academy which will provide another year of lag. Is it possible? Vic Wahl says they are too late in the recruiting cycle for next year’s academy to do a focused outreach to experienced officers. They don’t know how that will shake out in the applicant pool and typically there will be some experienced officers and 2 academies ago they did run those officers through an advanced placement curriculum to get them out on the street faster and they won’t know that until later in the process and the PFC has the ultimate decision on who gets hired. They will look at that depending upon how large the class is. Moreland asks if they approve 3 more officers, if you have experienced officers apply, how would that affect the budget instead of getting newbies that have to go through the academy. Mayor interrupts and says they all go through the academy. Wahl says that if they have officers from WI that are certified under the state they have done an accelerated academy or advanced placement track in the larger academy. They will look at that but he doesn’t know what the applicant pool looks like until next year. Moreland asks if they were successful in getting people that would go through the accelerated academy how would that change the budget. Wahl says it wouldn’t change it. He says the accelerated academy would require budget action, the cost would actually be higher because their start date would be earlier. The advanced placement folks start on the same day and its a two track training, but they are hired the same day. Moreland asks if they would come in at a higher salary based on their experience? Wahl says that for accelerate academies they start them at the 6 month step increase. Another staff says that in the current class of 50, they had 1, so that wasn’t enough to run the advanced placement training. They started at step 2 in the salary progression instead of step one.
Albouras says that he realized there are a few issues like the MPD has to go to priority calls only, that at times with staffing officers may have to extend their duty, with split second decisions we want to make sure the officers are at their full capacity as well as not having a diminished quality of service from those factors.
Alder Tag Evers appreciates what alder Furman brought up about perception. The statistics say otherwise regarding the notion that crime is increasing in Madison. In fact there has been a gradual decline. Violent crime rate in 2006 was 4.38 incidents per 1,000. In 2018 its was 4.04. That is a 7.8% decrease. The property crime rate in 2006 was 33.7 incidents per 1,000. In 2018 it was 22.9. That is a 22.9% decrease. The total crime rate in 2006 was 38.1 incidents per 1,000, in 2018 it is 30. That is a 21.1% decrease. Those are from the Uniform Crime Report at the Department of Justice. Perception is not how we make decisions. It’s a difficult question to ask if we are allocating our resources efficiently or is it possible we are asking our excellent frontline officers to be the first resort in time of need instead of the last resort in time of need. Is it possible that we are asking our officers to do too much. As opposed to doing what has historically been the kind of policing where you deal with those more priority calls. He looks forward to looking at other ways to deal with mental health issues. When he went on a ride along he was surprised to see an officer checking up on a lonely person. That was one of the calls. If we have these staffing issues that is not the type of call our officers should be going on. There ought to be someone else who is more trained. When he asked the officer he said that someone with a Masters in Social Work wouldn’t want to be out at 8 or 9 at night dealing with that. Evers says that if the social worker was getting paid the appropriate amount of money, the salary of a police officer, they would be willing to. These are the broader issues and we have to ask the tough questions and I’m not so sure the narrative that we are in this crisis and emergency and crime is running away is the basis for making an informed decision. He agrees with Alder Furman, lets not go on perceptions, lets go on reality. If we were going on reality and statistics, we would suggest that MPD should reinstitute the traffic enforcement plan because the bigger bang for the buck would be getting back to traffic enforcement in terms of revenue enhancing and saving lives. He is not in favor of adding police officers at this time. He does not believe the narrative that has been put out there on staffing is useful or helpful narrative at this time and that more broadly they can be looking at this in the future, discussing it even with the county in terms of the resources that are available for some of the mental health needs that are out there.
Verveer asks the Interim Chief about traffic safety concerns and doing away with the afternoon traffic enforcement safety team in 2017, could you articulate what you told me about why you wouldn’t support a budget amendment for TEST within the MPD budget. Wahl says traffic safety is a priority for us and they feel it is one of the core missions and something they would like to devote more resources to, but when they look at their core services that comes through the patrol function and when most people have an occasion to encounter a MPD officer its because they called 911 to report something and a patrol officer responds. They have to make sure that they have the patrol staffing appropriate to deliver those services. Some of the metrics they have shared demonstrate that they are not at that point – they are short of where they need to be by a pretty considerable margin. So not until they are able to get to be where they need to be in patrol would they be able to look at a more dedicated enhanced traffic enforcement function or any of the other specialized non-patrol units that they have had to limit over the years or other ones that they may not be able to implement because they would be great for the community and the department. Until they are able to deliver that core patrol services, they can’t deliver those things.
Kemble wants to clarify that in her 4.5 years on transportation committees – police luitenants and captains and assistant chiefs have consistently said that the TEST team does not create traffic safety. The stats are borne out that whether the TEST team is there or not, traffic safety is not improved by the TEST team presence. But they are very effective at brining in revenue through citations. That’s what they do. The people organizing the TEST teams themselves say that because it is sporadic and its based on grant funding and who can come out and be there. It’s not a consistent method for improving traffic safety.
Albouras is called on after a long audible sigh from the mayor and she points out this is the third time on this question. He asks if they have the numbers available on the amount of time MPD needs to transition to priority calls. Wahl says when they looked at it in 2018, mid-year in 2018 they instituted a better data collection process to have good data – for the second half of 2018 about 10% of the time where they were at a limited call response and 2/3 of the days during that period we went to a limited call response. They have the exact number of hours but he doesn’t have it with him. Albouras asks Wahl to explain what priority status means. Wahl says that when someone calls 911 they will screen out those things that are not a crime in progress or a medical or personal safety medical emergency where someone’s wellbeing is at issue. Things that already happened or are routine. A lot of things that people expect us to respond to they won’t go to during that time.
Vote:
Sounded like only Verveer voted but the mayor says there were 2 ayes, 1 abstention and the amendment fails.
AMENDMENT TWENTY FIVE B
Title: Add 6 Police Officers-Option B
Sponsors: Alders McKinney, Henak, Carter
Amount: $335,830
Narrative: Add 6.0 FTE Police Officers to the Police Department budget and appropriate $335,830 for salaries, benefits, and initial issue for the officers to begin in the Department’s May 2020 Academy.
Analysis: The proposed amendment creates six new Police Officer positions to begin in the May 2020 academy. The 2020 Executive Budget includes full funding for 310 Police Officer positions; if adopted, the authorized strength will increase to 316 Police Officer positions. The Executive Budget also includes annualized costs for four Police Officer positions that were funded in 2015 by a COPS grant ($362,000).
Nine officer positions were added to the Police Department budget in 2018; one of these was the final position associated with the opening of the Midtown District Station. An additional officer position was added in 2019 to replace an officer position that was upgraded to a Detective Sergeant for the Investigative Services Unit (focusing on human trafficking initiatives).
Two additional squad cars and related equipment to support these positions will require an amendment to the 2020 Capital Budget; the anticipated cost of the vehicles and equipment is $118,600.
The projected annualized cost $536,400 includes wages and benefits as well as supply and equipment costs.
Motion: Not taken up
AMENDMENT TWENTY FIVE C
Title: Add 12 Police Officers-Option C
Sponsors: Alder Skidmore (sponsored as a courtesy to allow on Finance agenda by Council President Bidar)
Amount: $671,700
Narrative: Add 12.0 FTE Police Officers to the Police Department budget and appropriate $671,700 for salaries, benefits, and initial issue for the officers to begin in the Department’s May 2020 Academy.
Analysis: The proposed amendment creates 12 new Police Officer positions to begin in the May 2020 academy. The 2020 Executive Budget includes full funding for 310 Police Officer positions; if adopted, the authorized strength will increase to 322 Police Officer positions. The Executive Budget also includes annualized costs for four Police Officer positions that were funded in 2015 by a COPS grant ($362,000).
Nine officer positions were added to the Police Department budget in 2018; one of these was the final position associated with the opening of the Midtown District Station. One officer position was added in 2019 to replace an officer position that was upgraded to a Detective Sergeant for the Investigative Services Unit (focusing on human trafficking initiatives).
Four additional squad cars and related equipment to support these positions will require an amendment to the 2020 Capital Budget; the anticipated cost of the vehicles and equipment is $237,200.
The projected annualized cost of $1,072,840 includes wages and benefits as well as supply and equipment costs.
Motion: Not taken up
FULL BUDGET PACKAGE
Bidar moves to adopt the budget as amended. No discussion. Sounded like McKinney voted no, may have been others, but the mayor says the ayes have it. She says that item is adopted and sent to council.
WHEEL TAX ORDINANCE
2 speakers registered. One was still there and said he was concerned about the regressive nature of the tax. No discussion.
Bidar says that they will have to have a special meeting if this passes. Verveer moves to make it effective Feb. 1 vs March 1.
Amendment to move the start date to Feb 1
Verveer says that they had a fairly lengthy discussion during the public hearing about what the lost revenue for February would be. He says they all know that it is imperative that the “wheel tax, excuse me, vehicle registration fee” be collected if at all possible in the month of February next year and be collected starting Feb 1. He would encourage council leadership to ask council staff first thing in the morning to start polling members as to when we might ascertain a quorum that would meet preferably still this week while the president is still in town.
McKinney says she realizes they will need a vehicle registration fee but she will not be supporting it at the rate of $40 and she appreciates and acknowledges the efforts of President Bidar and the Mayor but she is still concerned about the non-eligible groups that will be excluded or fall through the cracks, she will not be supporting the $40 wheel tax.
The amendment to move to Feb 1 passes on a voice vote – I only heard McKinney say no.
Marsha Rummel says that she has heard from constituents that they are a lot of questions and concerns about this fee and when she tries to explain how the mayor so deftly weaved it into the budget and they say “unweave it” and she doesn’t know how to do that. She says she wanted to report that she thinks it is a think that will really hurt a lot of people. She is struggling with it but she doesn’t know what the option are.
Amendment for a sunset
Verveer moves an amendment to add the following “no motor vehicle registration fee shall be imposed by the city after December 31st, 2021.” That is a sunset clause. It’s seconded by McKinney. He says this isn’t an original idea, several colleagues have discussed this with him privately. He told the mayor privately that this isn’t a totally original idea because when they instituted a similarly unpopular, except that they didn’t disclose much in advance that they were going to proceed with an urban forestry special charge back in 2015, there was as sunset provision in the original ordinance that created the special charge. The sunset expired the end of 2018 and the council voted to eliminate the sunset clause earlier that year. The reason why some of us would feel more comfortable if there was a sunset provision on the city wheel tax is that is send a message that we don’t wish to do this, that this wasn’t our first choice but they are forced to do this by the state legislature at the state capital. They all know how the statutes treat municipalities. He says Tierney reminded him that the governor will be introducing 2021-2023 biennial budget and after the 2020 census that legislative redistricting will yield legislators that are more sympathetic to the plight of municipalities. The sunset would sent a message that we don’t like the statutes we are forced to deal with, that we have strict levy limits, that municipal aids are anemic at best or that there is a darkstore loophole the legislature refuses to close as it relates to big box and most importantly that we can’t form a RTA by law. Governor Walker and the legislative majorities abolished the right to establish an RTA by law in 2011. He thinks the sunset provision sends a signal that none of us like that this is the only tool that they can use to close the budget gap. He says is the BRT initiative doesn’t move forward, it says to the naysayers in the community that the vehicle registration fee ordinance will sunset and end.
Furman doesn’t support it. He is not a fan of the vehicle registration tax but does understand that is where we are. He doesn’t think sunsetting this at the end of 2021 is a realistic time and there won’t be a realistic time to give people the false perception that we will be able to get rid of the vehicle registration fee. Nothing precludes them from gettin grid of it if they can figure out other funding or make cuts. The reality is that we will continue to have departments that will ask us for money, we will continue to have strong transit needs as our population continues to grow and he doesn’t want to see them back a future council in a corner with a sunset that he doesn’t see as realistic.
Mayor asks if she can speak from the char and there is no objection. The mayor says that one of the hallmarks of her budget is truth in budgeting. She thinks that this amendment goes directly against that. If we want to send a message to our constituents and the state legislature or to anyone we should send that message by saying it. They can do that individually or collectively. But I tell you what kind of message we are sending if we put a sunset on this. We are sending a message that we are willing to lie to our constituents in order to make them feel better. Because Alder Furman is right, they are not going to be able to get rid of a vehicle registration fee in two years. Because our costs are going to continue to go up. And they are going to continue to see less revenue from the state. She certainly hopes that changes, that the legislature flips entirely and sees fit to return state aids to what they used to be, that we get another government in Washington that believes in cities again, that they will be able to form a RTA, that the state funds transit at the level it should be funded, that the state and federal government fund infrastructure at the level they should fund infrastructure. But the reality of any of that happening is a very small chance. So she is not interested in lying to our constituents about what is necessary to deliver a balanced budget. She urges them to oppose the sunset. She does not think it is a productive addition to the conversation.
Another voice vote where I only heard Verveer say no, but who knows. The no’s were louder and the amendment failed.
Main motion
Kemble has also been getting a lot of concern from constituents, they make a lot of different points, the one that we all know to be true is that it is a regressive tax, its unfair and why are we taxing only Madison residents for a system (roads, BRT) that is supposed to be regional and she kind of agrees with them on that. She says to make this more fair they should work with the county for them to use their wheel tax to help us build our BRT and we need to start working on that now, she wishes they could have been working on that all summer long. That would still be a regressive wheel tax we are already paying, but if they would pony up some percentage of their wheel tax to support a regional transit system they would mean they wouldn’t have to rely on as high of a vehicle registration fee for the city – which she willl support. One of the things she talked a lot about when she was doing doors and first elected is she was running because the state and federal government had turned against us and prevented us from doing what we needed to do to take care of each other and our collective good and we need to find new ways to support that and all the things we find important. Unfortunately this is on way we can still legally do that – its not the best, we should be able to implement a sales tax to fund what we need to fund. She encourages all of us, the mayor and council members to talk to our county supervisors and county executive and build a case for fairness in how these tax monies are going. The city shouldn’t have to shoulder all the costs and the county is already imposing this fee on us and there isn’t much to show for it in terms of what the county is doing for transportation. Lets work on that and do something to fix it in next year’s budget on our side and theirs.
Sounds like McKinney was the only no. The agenda is adopted.